Antinatalism humor

Not exactly antinatalism, but from the childfree community:

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This woman's argument :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toof3B97kQU

"By having children, you pay for all the work that your parents and society at large put into making you and raising you, and provide the next link in the chain of human's progress. It's a debt that you can probably never pay back if you choose not to procreate."



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"By having children, you pay for all the work that your parents and society at large put into making you and raising you, and provide the next link in the chain of human's progress. It's a debt that you can probably never pay back if you choose not to procreate."

Weirdly enough, I've long thought that the debt to society idea is an argument in favour of antinatalism, in the following personal way:

It's true that the way I spend my life might not be valued by society, but the fact I don't have children means I'm not opting into society and therefore not asking for society's goods to uphold my future bloodline. If I say, "Well, I can see this game is not for me," and don't reserve a seat at the table for descendants, then society surely has less say over how I should be spending the life I myself did not choose.

I think it's clear that this idea contains a principle opposite to that in the quoted statement.
 
qcrisp said:
Ah, I see she's some kind of vegan eugenicist.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.

I think that the vegan recidivism rate is poor is because it is too inconvenient to remain compassionate. People are more lazy than cruel. The less friction to leading a moral life the better. Show me a fast food vegan McDonalds and I'll show you a population of elevated morality.

She is also not factoring in the people who are vegans not because they are particularly fond of animals but because they hate plants.
 
I'm not vegan, but have some sympathy with veganism. It goes without saying that, if I'm not vegan, I'm not fruitarian (besides, I have a horror of many kinds of fruit).

Anyway, I have no motivation for persuading people from these views, especially in a humorous thread.

In the "eugenicist vegan" equation, it's the eugenicist part that prompted me to make the comment. I added the "vegan" part so as not to be unfair to the woman by equating her with the usual image of a eugenicist. Nonetheless, I am not sure to what extent "vegan" mitigates "eugenicist".
 
bendk said:
The less friction to leading a moral life the better. Show me a fast food vegan McDonalds and I'll show you a population of elevated morality.
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Believe it or not, people already make vegan burgers that look and taste similar to meat burgers. Start at 1:47.

https://youtu.be/OlmAaOdK6nk?t=1m47s

They're not cheap right now but if more vegan fast foods open the prices will probably lower.

Eh, I probably should try getting this thread back on track:

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ToALonelyPeace said:
I found this but I'm not sure if Quentin S. Crisp would like being a meme...

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That prompted me to look myself up at AZ Quotes. There are some strange, random choices of quote there.

As for being a meme, I must admit, it's peculiar to see myself in that format, but I suppose, being a writer, I did in some sense ask for it.
 
My girlfriend is a vegan, because she is against cruelty to animals and to improve her health. I must say all of the stuff she eats is delicious.

Though I can't see myself being able to be one, I do know how to prepare a very decent vegan cheese.
 
qcrisp said:
ToALonelyPeace said:
I found this but I'm not sure if Quentin S. Crisp would like being a meme...

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That prompted me to look myself up at AZ Quotes. There are some strange, random choices of quote there.

As for being a meme, I must admit, it's peculiar to see myself in that format, but I suppose, being a writer, I did in some sense ask for it.
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The problem is that a meme lacks sentience. It's hard to imagine a piece of writing experiencing gratuitous suffering.

The reason antinatalists are opposed to reproduction is because of the nature of existence. If existence had occurred under a different set of conditions, then reproduction might not be so problematic.
 
Mr. Veech said:
The problem is that a meme lacks sentience. It's hard to imagine a piece of writing experiencing gratuitous suffering.
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I pray that it is so.

Mr. Veech said:
The reason antinatalists are opposed to reproduction is because of the nature of existence. If existence had occurred under a different set of conditions, then reproduction might not be so problematic.
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I believe there are antinatalists who would say suffering is intrinsic to sentience and would deny, at least if sentience emerges, that any set of conditions could ever be good.
 
I didn't mean "being" in a philosophical sense. I thought of using "to be a meme" but it seemed clunky. I meant to say that his quote and picture can spread everywhere without his consent and I thought he would disapprove.

An antinatalist's rap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65C9GrFieE
 
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