Ligottian Horror Flicks

I only recently saw "Don't look Now," and agree that it's as dark and twisted as has been suggested. Believe it or not, I found it at my local library (AKA my church), on DVD no less.

My interest in it came from listening to the director's commentary in "Session 9," by the way. Both the director and the screenplay writer (I think) mentioned the film several times as a point of inspiration.

Another triangulation in this crooked, creaking universe!
 
1973's "Don't Look Now" is the Donald Sutherland in Venice movie. I have it on tape (from cable years ago), but haven't seen it since the twentieth century. His daughter (or wife? I can't remember) drowns. Or does she?
Sounds like a premise to me. I have a vague recollection of disappointment about this one.

(Sorry. This post was initially written based upon reading only Page One of previous posts. Others have beaten me to this territory--and more eloquently!)
 
G. S. Carnivals";p="2163 said:
I have it on tape (from cable years ago), but haven't seen it since the twentieth century.

That's what I've noticed about many of these movies: Some are very difficult to track down. A few weeks ago I made a list of maybe 10 films that had been discussed here, and the video store (which is very typically very good for foreign/cult/obscure movies) didn't have a single one of them, though they did randomly have others such as CURE which I had found previously. Of course, I suppose this is not too surprising given the lengths many of us will go to track down obscure items such as rare Ligotti texts.
 
The most Ligottian film I have seen is THE CABINET OF DR. CALIGARI. I know TL has a low opinion of this movie, and I admit it is a little dated, but in terms of themes, it is very Ligottian. It has a Dr. Locrian-like villain in Dr. Caligari. There is a carnival setting. There is the use of a mannikin. And the somnambulist, Cesare, goes wandering through a City of Wavering Peaks in search of victims, compelled by a will not his own. TL said he liked the set designs for this movie, and that is what the movie is most famous for. The sets designs are warped as if in a dream or if viewed by someone in a disturbed psychological state. This aspect of the movie is as powerful today as it was when it first was released in 1919.
 
Aetherwing";p="849 said:
What was that film set in Venice with Don Sutherland and some creepy dwarf in a red raincoat?

think it was called dont look now or something
 
I think the most "ligottian" movie I´ve watched, besides"Session 9" is Ingmar Berman´s "Hour of the wolf".Even if Mr. Ligotti himself told me he doesn´t enjoy this movie very much.
And a movie that some might find Ligottian and eerie but didn´t work for me in the least is "Tourist trap".
 
A couple of folks mentioned Uzumaki. If you enjoyed the film you absolutely owe it to yourself to locate and purchase the three-volume manga (comic) of the same name. I have never been so freaked out by the images in that strip - the movie couldn't even touch the grotesque and disturbing images in the story, which is much more episodic than the movie. The pregnant mothers seeking hospital employees to drain of blood was particularly eerie.
 
Speaking of Fulci, anyone seen 'The Beyond' (or 'Seven Doors of Death' in some releases)? Its quite an interesting movie. :>>

Fulci's films have never impressed me, but both of those have a kind of hopeless feel that you could consider Ligottian. I'd say Dario Argento is the flip-side of Lucio Fulci; "Suspiria" is definitely a film (although everyone's probably already seen it/heard about it) that I would recommend to readers of Ligotti.

One of the most disturbing movies I've ever seen, and I've seen enough to not be the slightest bit disturbed by most of them, is Dalton Trumbo's "Johnny Got His Gun". The mood of hopelessness is deeper and more gut-wrenching than any other film I've ever seen. ("Clean Shaven" is a close tie, but not quite there). Everyone will probably recall the Metallica video, "One", and the clips of the film. Highly recommended if you've got a strong stomach.
 
I agree that the movie Johnny Got His Gun is a fine film. Dalton Trumbo's novel is one of the most gut-wrenching books that I have ever read. The story is not far-fetched at all. I saw a true story about a similar incident years ago on television. This doctor saved the life of an extremely mutilated soldier (I believe it was in Viet Nam). After the operation, the doctor was criticized by other doctors and nurses for saving the man's life. The soldier had lost all of his limbs and was blinded by a bomb. Many years after the war ended, the doctor, who was obviously haunted by this incident, found out that the man was still alive. He travelled to meet him. He expected to find a shell of a man living in a VA hospital or the like. What he found was a man who had married and had several healthy and happy children. He was still physically dependent because of his injuries, but his wife took good care of him. When the doctor saw his family, he just broke down and wept. The doctor told him of all the conflicting feelings he had experieced about his decision. The man thanked him and told him that he was grateful for his life. It was a very emotional story.

I watched Clean Shaven when it first came out. I remember finding it disturbing, but I can't recall particulars. I need to watch that one again. I just googled the actor's name because I remember he played Zed in Pulp Fiction - the geek scene. His name is Peter Greene. He was also Redfoot in the very good film, The Usual Suspects.
 
dekadent666";p="5311 said:
I'd say Dario Argento is the flip-side of Lucio Fulci; "Suspiria" is definitely a film (although everyone's probably already seen it/heard about it) that I would recommend to readers of Ligotti.

I've heard about the film Suspiria from a number of sources that it's a really good flick. Number one billion in my list of movies I need to see
 
Re-awakening topics Moste Antiente, I have to say that 'Dark City' has more than one Ligottian element. Actually, that is a bit of an understatement...

-S.
 
I can see Dark City having a few Ligottian elements...a dark organization manipulating and controlling the minds of its citizens...doesn't sound too far off from Q Org and TG Enterprises
 
Thank you! There are lots of suggestions in this thread; I can't wait to watch many of them. I agree with views concerning Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, which I saw only recently. I did not enjoy The Golem that much but read somewhere that the 1915 version is like Caligari.

Unfortunately, I'm new to Ligotti. Would Naked Lunch be considered Ligottian? (It's not horror, though.)
 
Naked Lunch is certainly some disturbing stuff. I watched it with a friend who found it so disturbing that he insisted we turn it off after the first twenty minutes. Still, I had almost the same experience with Eraserhead.

I recently enjoyed a nice little flick called Angel Heart (1987) starring Robert DeNiro as SATAN and a young, handsome Mickey Rourke as a cool as private detective (if my face looked that good, boxing wouldn't be my first career choice). It's a good film, very dark. I couldn't call it Ligottian - too much voodoo, too much good/evil polarity.

Anyone seen Polanski's film adaptation of The Tenant? I can't find a copy in my neck of the woods. Just finished the book (original translation) and it really disturbed me (the idea of someone elses identity merging with my own is one of my most hellish nightmares). For the first half of the book I was expecting a 'Beckoning Fair One' scenario, only to be pleasantly surprised at the very Leiber-esque twist.

Anyone have any comments on Pan's Labyrinth? I loved this film, although I certainly wouldn't say it was Ligottian, with the exception of the 'pale man' sequence.
 
I thought Pan's Labyrinth was amazing. Somewhere I read his spanish films are a lot better than his english films. The Devil's Backbone is supposedly really good and also connects to Pan's Labyrinth with the fantasy/civil war parallels. Maybe someone has seen the Devil's Backbone? Crazy ghost story of some kind.
 
I watched Devil´s Backbone about 4/5 years ago and I remember enjoy it very much.
I heard the director was working on an adaptation of "At the Mountains of Madness".
It would be great...
 
Devil's Backbone is indeed an excellent film and does have the civil war element connecting it to Pan's Labyrinth. I enjoyed Pan's Labyrinth more, I liked the overt fairy-tale aspect of it. Supposedly it was partly inspired by Machen's The White People-I have no verification of that, but it doesn't seem unlikely. Del Toro's earlier film, Chronos, is quite creepy in an understated way, haven't seen it in a while, but I remember quite enjoying it.
Here is a link to del Toro's web site page discussing the adaptation of HPL:
http://www.deltorofilms.com/ProjectPage.php?projectid=9
 
I would say that David Lynch's Mullholland Drive and Inland Empire are both very Ligottian in my opinion. I would also say that a lot of the work of Val Lewton would fall into this element as well like Cat People,The Seventh Victim and I Walked With a Zombie. Just curious what do people think are the qualifications for a Ligottian film? I believe that one would be a realistic setting tweeked into Nightmarish Ways like the sinister Los Angeles that Lynch presents in both of his latest films, or the unseen eerie quality of the Nightmare Noir that Lewton created in the 40's.
 
The perception that human beings are not what they think they are, that the self is no more than an illusion, is at the core of Thomas Ligotti's fiction and serves as the pedal tone of The Conspiracy Against the Human Race. It is perhaps for this reason that Ligotti's works are not, and may never be, translatable as cinema. Moviegoers do not want to see a film that portrays human beings as nothings and nobodies; like most people, they would rather be entertained by tales of transcendent selves -- action heroes, star-crossed lovers, villains, etc. Of the films I've seen, only one seems to approach the Ligottian view of existence, however obliquely: George Romero's Martin (1977). The title character, still in his teens, believes himself to be something that he is not: an eighty-four-year-old vampire. While Martin's sense of self is more radically construed than that of an average person, his relationship to the world around him is not much different from anyone else's. Working a thankless job and living with his overbearingly religious, superstitious cousin, Martin is haunted by an agglomeration of vampiric images generated by Hollywood as much as by his family's traditional lore. Acting according to what he believes to be his nature, he kills, and attempts to kill, others along the way. Though he is mostly timid and apathetic at home, Martin in the end is persuasive enough as a vampire to turn his zealot of a cousin fatally against him.
Martin's conviction that he is someone or something is just another illustration, though a striking and memorable one, of what TL defines in the poem "Insanity and Nothingness" as the "bottom line": "No one is in the market / for nothingness, / while insanity, / since time began, / has always been / flying off the shelves." In addition to being a fascinating meditation on insanity and nothingness, Martin is a great, jolting horror movie. Unlike other screenwriters and directors, who take care to preserve the lives of their main characters, Romero more often than not precipitately and violently dispatches them, right at the moment when viewers care about them the most. He does this -- legendarily, of course -- in Night of the Living Dead, as well as in Martin.
I'll make one final comment about Martin. The film was shot in an old industrial town, a place as grotty and run-down as many of the settings of TL's short stories. And, like TL, Romero uncovers real beauty behind, and within, dilapidation and decay.
 
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