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Hidden X 08-30-2016 02:32 PM

Re: Rene Guenon, Alt Right, Traditionalism etc
 
This little thing is also worth listening to (or trying to, at least) before one decides if one does or doesn't want read man's scholarly work.

https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/whit...ntic-infection

Just so folks have a bit more complete image of his views.

Gnosticangel 08-30-2016 02:41 PM

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Hidden X wrote: "This little thing is also worth listening to (or trying to, at least) before one decides if one does or doesn't want read man's scholarly work."

Well, that is quite a bummer! Thanks Hidden X. Very disappointed to see that he went there; at least there is absolutely nothing like this in the work referenced below. Still worth reading if interested in the Gnostic perspective, But....

... (another bubble sadly bursts).....

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
- George Orwell

Hidden X 08-30-2016 03:06 PM

Re: Rene Guenon, Alt Right, Traditionalism etc
 
You're a far better person than I am, I'll give you that, just going by how open and fully devoid of mean-spiritedness your comments are.

I guess I never, in my "adult" life, felt any need for religion or a worldview that supersedes rational material one, so I'll probably never be fully able to "get" folks that feel a strong need for such a thing but at the same time have a modern knowledge and understanding of history and negative side to teachings of various traditional religions.

Sad Marsh Ghost 08-30-2016 03:10 PM

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Noble race? This isn't Star Trek.

I love Burzum's music, but Varg is unintentionally hilarious. The Alan Partridge of racialist murderers.

Sad Marsh Ghost 08-30-2016 03:16 PM

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I don't get it. You ask for people to think of this beyond identity politics, but you define people purely on their aesthetic racial identity. I think there's an argument for eugenics, but racialist science is a load of bollocks, and in a world in which eugenics were practised, smart black people should get breeding priority over dumb white people, etc.

Taking honour or pride in the glory of your ancestors, or shame in their race mixing, is nonsensical. It has nothing to do with you.

Hidden X 08-30-2016 03:32 PM

Re: Rene Guenon, Alt Right, Traditionalism etc
 
Hilarious thing is that not even Evola thought so much about the actual value of biological race, which was a part of reason for his fall in popularity among his fascist contemporaries.
If I'm not mistaken, he even wrote that black or jewish man can have "aryan" soul and vice versa, or something to that extent.


Theo Beale and Nick Land with their ramblings about eugenics and white race really are the very bottom of the barrel. Just don't go there kids.

qcrisp 08-31-2016 07:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Druidic (Post 127964)
Suffering is just suffering and we learn little or nothing from it. As a great philosopher once said, "What doesn't kill you just makes you wish you were dead."
Gurdjieff believed in something called "conscious suffering." That is a very different thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logoth...vering_meaning

On an unrelated note (unrelated to the quoted comment), I'm surprised to see eugenics making a comeback in recent discourse. The famous line from the Declaration of Independence, a cornerstone of human rights (if we're talking about the good things the West has given the world):

Quote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
This is consonant with Kant's principle of treating all people always as ends in themselves and never only as means to something else. To support eugenics is to treat individuals as a means to something else (for instance, the Master Race).

Sad Marsh Ghost 08-31-2016 07:33 AM

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Now it looks like I was arguing with myself.

Nirvana In Karma 08-31-2016 08:24 AM

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Eugenics, deletions and Varg, oh my!

I think I need to take a break from here.

Toodle-loo, lads.

Robert Adam Gilmour 08-31-2016 10:11 AM

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Has a moderator been deleting or is it always With Strength I Burn having second thoughts and deleting his own posts?


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