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cannibal cop 06-19-2018 11:55 AM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
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Originally Posted by Nemonymous (Post 147775)
“Reviews can be just as important as what they review.”

Hopefully an ongoing synergy.
A great work is never static, on its own, though it should be treated as if on its own, as something beyond the author’s further volition (once it is crystallised in print) and as something beyond any knowledge about that author.
A triangulation of all such reviews.

Aickman's views diminish the purpose of reviews. By assiging virtue to positivity and ignominy to negativity, he misses the point. The virtue of reviews resides strictly in their honesty, accuracy, and authenticity.

Nemonymous 06-19-2018 11:56 AM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
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Originally Posted by cannibal cop (Post 147777)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemonymous (Post 147775)
“Reviews can be just as important as what they review.”

Hopefully an ongoing synergy.
A great work is never static, on its own, though it should be treated as if on its own, as something beyond the author’s further volition (once it is crystallised in print) and as something beyond any knowledge about that author.
A triangulation of all such reviews.

Aickman's views diminish the purpose of reviews. By assiging virtue to positivity and ignominy to negativity, he misses the point. The virtue of reviews resides strictly in their honesty, accuracy, and authenticity.

OK, I’ll buy that.

Nemonymous 06-19-2018 12:00 PM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemonymous (Post 147778)
Quote:

Originally Posted by cannibal cop (Post 147777)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemonymous (Post 147775)
“Reviews can be just as important as what they review.”

Hopefully an ongoing synergy.
A great work is never static, on its own, though it should be treated as if on its own, as something beyond the author’s further volition (once it is crystallised in print) and as something beyond any knowledge about that author.
A triangulation of all such reviews.

Aickman's views diminish the purpose of reviews. By assiging virtue to positivity and ignominy to negativity, he misses the point. The virtue of reviews resides strictly in their honesty, accuracy, and authenticity.

OK, I’ll buy that.

But having said that, I think reviewers should choose to review works that they have an instinct of love about. Often such instincts work out. They seem to do so... with the books I get.

Knygathin 06-19-2018 01:44 PM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
Has it been confirmed that Robert Aickman read Lovecraft? And did he comment on the quality of Lovecraft's writings?

The two were very different writers, but it would still be interesting to hear Aickman's opinion given his undisputed awareness of high standards in literature and art.

The mainstream critic elite tend to see Lovecraft as a 'bad writer', but these self-proclaimed experts are too dull-witted to be self-aware of the fact that they hold that negative opinion simply for political reasons. They are mentally closed off from Lovecraft's exceptional literary talent.

Robin Davies 06-19-2018 02:08 PM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
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Originally Posted by Knygathin (Post 147780)
Has it been confirmed that Robert Aickman read Lovecraft? And did he comment on the quality of Lovecraft's writings?

Aickman spoke disparagingly of horror stories and I suspect he would have found Lovecraft's work too lurid and tasteless.
However his tastes were sometimes surprising. He preferred Night of the Living Dead to The Leopard Man.

Knygathin 06-19-2018 03:10 PM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin Davies (Post 147781)
Aickman spoke disparagingly of horror stories and I suspect he would have found Lovecraft's work too lurid and tasteless. ...

I wouldn't be too surprised if that is so. They had different perspectives and aesthetic preferences, Lovecraft being more direct and overtly physical in his approach.

Anyhow, some say that "Ringing the Changes" appears to be a homage to "The Shadow Over Innsmouth".

M. R. James is another writer, ... who had a low opinion of Lovecraft.

I have high respect for all three writers.

Sad Marsh Ghost 06-19-2018 05:17 PM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
Aickman thought The Music of Erich Zann was the only good Lovecraft story. Definitely not a fan. There are a lot of great British writers of supernatural fiction who either disliked Lovecraft's style or never mentioned him. As a Lovecraft fan I am fine with this. Clive Barker isn't a Lovecraft fan, and I think he's the equal of him as a horror writer.

cannibal cop 06-20-2018 04:43 AM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemonymous (Post 147779)
But having said that, I think reviewers should choose to review works that they have an instinct of love about. Often such instincts work out. They seem to do so... with the books I get.

Yeah, that's what I meant by authenticity, I guess. Approaching the material in good faith, with a solid understanding of the form it represents, and a willingness and a capacity to appreciate all it has to offer. But without inherent bias towards positivity or negativity, as well.

Someone should have pointed out to Bob that criticism that only praises isn't criticism. It's PR.

Sad Marsh Ghost 06-20-2018 04:51 AM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
Blanket rules are useless, but I think a danger of 'negative' reviewers who market themselves as such for their 'brand' is that it often seems as if the critic is a competitor trying to 'beat' the work they're reviewing rather than actually trying to engage with it properly, often scoring own-goals in the process of rushing to find fault where there isn't one. This was my issue with S. T. Joshi's review of the Southern Reach trilogy and my general feeling regarding a lot of internet critics, such as that Nostalgic Critic person.

Nemonymous 06-20-2018 05:05 AM

Re: Robert Aickman
 
Analysis leading to praise is my optimal goal, assuming the book itself allows, as I would expect from any book I choose to get.


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