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ramonoski 03-04-2014 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by beakripped (Post 99833)
One of 'em's yellow!!!

That would be Fluttershy, whose weak voice can be accurately described with the words of the black woman from True Detective: "a wind of invisible voices." :drunk:

beakripped 03-04-2014 05:42 AM

Re: Writer Nic Pizzolatto on Thomas Ligotti and the Weird Secrets of ‘True Detective’
 
Brilliant!

Knygathin 03-04-2014 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Druidic (Post 99705)
As for judging works of art by political standards, it happens all the time. I find it deeply regrettable. In the 50’s and 60’s Lovecraft’s “The Horror at Red Hook” was regarded quite highly. It appeared in several anthologies and was praised for its unflinching portrait of New York’s dark side. Now Joshi (among others) faults the story as utterly dreadful, Herbert West style dreadful, and sounds just a touch hysterical in the process. Political Correctness has become the yardstick by which today’s critics, when in doubt, gauge the worth of works. . . .

Amen to that.

Political Correctness is a social disease that infects us all to more or less degree, and restrains our thoughts. Some use it openly and shamelessly to ride the highest waves of popularity of the present, speaking only the "correct, right, and good" things. Screw them! Most of us are so stuck in fashions, that we unwillingly are unable even to tell PC opinions apart from more objective truths. The greatest artists, the most daring, don't give a damn about PC, they ignore it, and aren't afraid of being stigmatized by the moralizers of the controlling capitalist media establishment, they sweep PC aside, and enforce their way into a future of truly dynamic visions!

The lies of present society will surely soon topple over.

njhorror 03-06-2014 10:13 AM

Re: Writer Nic Pizzolatto on Thomas Ligotti and the Weird Secrets of ‘True Detective’
 
lol


http://theweek.com/article/index/257...tective-parody

Knygathin 03-09-2014 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Druidic (Post 99765)
Wagner's story is a little classic; he apparently was the first writer to really wonder what all those sticks lashed together and seen in so many Lee Brown Coye illustrations, really meant.

Perhaps the deepest regret over my book collection, was selling the original three Arkham House 1960's editions of Lovecraft's fiction, after I had got the new revised editions. :(

Sure, I have better texts now. But lost the design of the older books, that for me harboured the spirit of Lovecraft. The Coye covers were just right, enigmatic and old-fashioned in feel. And there was the very nice photograph of Lovecraft on the back of the Dunwhich Horror volume.

The revised volumes have none of this genuine feel. They are too modern in design. And the photos of Lovecraft are not sharp, but taken from second generation photo copies. :eek:

Second hand copies of the original volumes are really expensive to get now. And anyway, it still wouldn't be the same as having back my own books that I bought new, and read and loved and discovered Lovecraft in. Some things are just lost, and can't ever be retrieved. :drunk:

Druidic 03-09-2014 09:17 PM

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Sure, I have better texts now. But lost the design of the older books, that for me harboured the spirit of Lovecraft. The Coye covers were just right, enigmatic and old-fashioned in feel. And there was the very nice photograph of Lovecraft on the back of the Dunwhich Horror volume.
I agree completely, Kyngathin. The Coye illustration of The Dunwich Horror was my favorite. In my mind, that animalistic giant is Wilbur. And the lashed sticks and congeries of spheres floating like balloons attached to Wilbur...what a wonderful cover!

The new ones are technically good but sterile and generic, and they leave me cold...like a few of the 'corrected' texts do. {Regarding the texts, among other things, I'll be amazed if that final sentence in "Medusa's Coil" is Lovecraft's.)

Knygathin 03-10-2014 12:14 AM

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Druidic, that's the first time I've heard someone express that opinion.

Others have told me, "The old covers are crude and look awful. Those are from the old days, when they couldn't afford real artists. The new paintings are great! They are realistic looking. Improvement in every way!" and "There is nothing wrong with the new photographs!?! What are you talking about? The printing is excellent! And easier to read type.".

Druidic 03-10-2014 12:45 AM

Re: Writer Nic Pizzolatto on Thomas Ligotti and the Weird Secrets of ‘True Detective’
 
Kyngathin, there is a good collection of Coye’s work in the Metropolitan Museum, hardly a warehouse for hacks! And since we just had an exchange regarding Michael Shea’s brilliant story “The Autopsy,” it’s probably appropriate to point out that Coye was also a medical illustrator and attended many autopsies to enhance his knowledge of human anatomy. In the ‘80’s I drove to Syracuse University to view their collection of Coye’s art. He worked in many mediums and Wiki has a good albeit brief entry that mentions all this plus the fascinating stick figures that haunt some of his work. (If you’ve read Wagner’s “Sticks” the basic story told of how the artist found these things is quite true.) The new covers are fine for what they are but face it: there are dozens, if not hundreds of equally good illustrations of Cthulhu and Friends on the ‘net alone. Coye’s work was stripped down to the essentials; it was primitive and unsettling and it caught the dark and unique soul of Lovecraft’s fictions like some wonderful and sinister folk art. The new books are pretty though, I’ll certainly give them that LOL. (Actually, The Bayless illo of "The Lurking Fear" which provides the cover for the latest AH Dagon isn't half-bad, even if seemingly more reminiscent of Machen's horrors, but the others miss the mark completely... for me at least.)

You have better taste than your friends, Sir!

teguififthzeal 03-10-2014 02:27 AM

Re: Writer Nic Pizzolatto on Thomas Ligotti and the Weird Secrets of ‘True Detective’
 
After watching the season finale, I do wonder how much Ligotti had to with that one....the ending dialogue, I mean. With Cohle looking like Christ, and talking about light defeating darkness?

ramonoski 03-10-2014 02:41 AM

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After watching the season finale, I do wonder how much Ligotti had to with that one....the ending dialogue, I mean. With Cohle looking like Christ, and talking about light defeating darkness?

It was Ligottian up to the mention of a greater darkness beyond the darkness of death. Everything after that, well...

Here's this. From Alan Moore's comic Top 10, published in 2000. Mild spoilers ahoy! Don't click full view until you've seen the episode. I do wonder if it's a deliberate sneak reference, like the Ligotti paraphrasing from the first episodes...


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